ARJUNA'S DEFEAT WASN'T ONLY IMPOSSIBLE BUT ALSO AGAINST THE NATURE

Arjuna's defeat wasn't possible in battle by any means. No one could have defeated him as his defeat was against the nature in Mahabharata. And we all know that the things which are against the nature don't occur at all. There are many examples in epic regarding it. I will post some narratives to prove that Arjuna's defeat was against the nature.

1) Saindhava warriors made Arjuna unconscious that time, when Arjuna wasn't fighting. After that we see that the entire universe failed to digest it and started to act negatively.

Ashwmedhika Parva, Chapter No. 76, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

On seeing that Kounteya was afflicted by those arrows, sounds of lamentation arose in the three worlds and the rays of the sun were covered in dust. O great king! A wind that made the body hair stand up began to blow. It was as if Rahu had simultaneously devoured the sun and the moon. From every direction, meteors fell into the sun and were scattered around. O

king! Kailasa, the giant mountain, began to tremble. Overcome by sorrow and grief, the saptarshis and the devarshis were struck by fear and released warm sighs of fright. The moon was swiftly

pierced and they fell down on the lunar disc. O king! All these perverse portents were witnessed. Clouds that were as red as donkeys covered the sky. They were tinged with bows and lightning and

showered down flesh and blood. 

Note :- Now some morons can cry that the nature acted negatively after Karna's death too. Yes I accept it but that don't proves anything otherwise the nature would have acted even before his death.

2) Here also, the universe (Mobile& immobile) started to lament when Arjuna was shrouded by the arrows of Ashwatthama 

Karna Parva, Chapter No.40, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

O great king! The arrows released by Drona’s son descended in all the directions. They enveloped Krishna and Dhananjaya, who were stationed on the chariot. Bharadvaja’s powerful descendant released hundreds of sharp arrows and in that battle, immobilized Madhava and Pandava. On seeing that the protectors of the mobile and the immobile were thus shrouded by arrows, lamentations arose everywhere, amidst the mobile and the immobile. Large numbers of siddhas and charanas assembled there from every

direction and began to reflect about the welfare of the worlds. 

3) Even Shri Krishna said that the death of Arjuna isn't possible at all, and if it occurs then the world will be destroyed

 Karna Parva, Chapter No.63, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

Krishna laughed and spoke these supreme words to Partha. ‘The sun may fall down from its place. The earth may shatter into many fragments. The fire may become cold. But Karna will not be able to kill Dhananjaya. However, if this does happen, the world will be destroyed. Using my arms in the battle, I will kill Karna and Shalya.

So after reading all the proofs it can be safely concluded that Arjuna's defeat was impossible and against the nature in Mahabharata

-Avenger

DIVINE STATUS OF ARJUNA IN MAHABHARATA

Well, I am not agreeing that whether Arjuna is a god or not but I am just unfolding the divinity of Arjuna mentioned and explained in Mahabharata because layman must know the difference between the status of divine main character Arjuna of Mahabharata and the status of ordinary supporting characters of Mahabharata. I am agreeing on the part that Arjuna was a mortal but his treatment as a divine person in Mahabharata should be brought in front of people

Now let's see some references from the next slide which proves the status of Arjuna in Mahabharata to be that of a very divine person 

1)  Arjuna was born in his human form because of his own wish as per the narrative

Udhyoga Parva, Chapter No. 66, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

‘Sanjaya said, “Arjuna and Vasudeva are supremely honoured archers. They have everything in them and have been born in this way because of their own wishes

2) Arjuna was in the form of a human thats the reason he didn't use his divine mind to destroy his enemies as per the narrative

Drona Parva, Chapter No. 10, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

Earlier, those great-souled ones were

the gods Nara and Narayana. They were a single soul and are seen by men on earth as divided into two. They are famous and invincible. If they wish, they can destroy the army with their minds. But because they are humans, they do not wish that.

3) Agneya asta (A higher version of Agneyastra), an irresistible weapon was released by Ashvatthama but this weapon failed to give a single scratch to the two Krishnas and it was completely a mysterious and unnatural event because a mortal couldn't survive it by any means but Arjuna easily survived. Now it itself proves that how divine was Arjuna 

Drona Parva, Chapter No. 172, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

He honoured him and spoke these words. ‘O honoured one! Is this maya? Is this a wish? I do not know what has happened. Why have my weapons become

fruitless? What have I contravened? This is completely unnatural and is like a defeat of the worlds by the two Krishnas, who remain alive. It is impossible to cross destiny. This weapon that has been used by me cannot be countered by asuras, gandharvas, pishachas, rakshasas,

serpents, yakshas, birds and men. But having killed only one akshouhini, this flaming weapon used by me has been calmed. Keshava and Arjuna are mortal. Why have they not been killed

by it? O illustrious one! I am asking you. Give me the complete answer.’

4) Narayana Astra used to become more effective when someone raise weapons against it but when Arjuna used Varuna weapon against Narayana astra to save Bhima, surprisingly Narayana astra didn't give a single scratch to him. Moreover here it is written that Arjuna and Shri Krishna had resorted their maya (their divinity) while trying to save Bhima.

 Drona Parva, Chapter No. 171, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

‘“On seeing all this, the brave and immensely radiant Arjuna and Vasudeva quickly descended from their chariot and dashed towards Bhima. There was an energy created from the strength of the weapon of Drona’s son. Those two immensely strong ones resorted to their

power of maya and immersed themselves in it. Because they had cast aside their weapons, because of the use of the varuna weapon and because of their own energy, those two Krishnas were not burnt by the fire of that weapon

5) Mahadeva Shiva and Shri Brahma vividly described the divinity of Arjuna in Karna parva. They even said that Arjuna is the creator of universe along with Shri Krishna and controls everything. Must read the beautiful narrative mentioned below. 

Karna Parva, Chapter No. 63, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

He is spirited, powerful and brave. He is skilled in the use of weapons

and is rich in austerities. Great energy is manifested in him, especially in dhanurveda. Through his greatness, he is capable of overcoming destiny. He is capable of controlling and overcoming the

worlds. When the two Krishnas are angered, no one is capable of standing before them. Those two bulls among men are truly the creators of the universe. They are the ancient and supreme rishis Nara

and Narayana. Those two scorchers of enemies control everything and cannot be controlled by

anyone.

6) Here Shri Vyasa called Arjuna an everlasting god

 Vana Parva, Chapter No. 37, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

Because of his austerities and valour, he has the power to see the gods. He is an immensely energetic rishi. He is the ancient, eternal and everlasting god who is Narayana’s companion and a part of Vishnu.

7) Here Mahadeva Shiva said in Vana Parva that there is supreme energy which exists in Arjuna, like that in Shri Vishnu. And the universe is held up through the energy of two Krishnas.

Vana Parva, Chapter No. 41, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

 ‘The illustrious god said, “You were Nara in an earlier body, the companion of Narayana. You spent many ayuta years in fearful austerities in Badari. There is supreme energy in you, like that in Vishnu, supreme among men. The universe is held up through the energy of the two of you, foremost among men. 

8) Here it is written that Arjuna could raise the Earth on his arms

 Udhyoga Parva, Chapter No. 58, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

He can raise the earth with his arms. He can angrily burn down these beings. He can dislodge the thirty gods from heaven. Who can defeat Arjuna in battle?

Among the gods, asuras, men, yakshas, gandharvas and serpents, I do not see anyone who is capable of withstanding the Pandava in battle.

9). Here the great ancestors of Shri Parshurama not only called Arjuna an ancient and eternal god but also referred him as Prajapati

Udhyoga Parva, Chapter No. 186, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

Arjuna is foremost among the Pandavas. He is Purandara’s powerful son. He is the brave Nara Prajapati, the ancient and

eternal god. He is famous in the three worlds as the valiant Savyasachi. 

10). Arjuna deserved the worship of all the gods, humans and demons as per the akashvaani

Adi Parva, Chapter No. 219, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation 

They are the gods Nara and Narayana, famous in heaven. You yourself know their bravery and their valour. These two supreme and ancient sages are invincible in battle and cannot be conquered in any of the worlds. They deserve the worship of all the gods, asuras, yakshas, rakshas, gandharvas, humans, kinnaras50 and serpents.

Now you can understand easily that why there are so many fictional stories are created on some overrated characters to glorify them by some frustrated jerks because whenever they read Mahabharata they fails to digest Arjuna's divine status in epic. And now after reading all the references we can safely conclude that it's a big insult to the Sanskrit Poetry Mahabharata to treat Arjuna's status equal or interior to those characters whose relatives names  are not even mentioned in the epic

-Avenger

MISCONCEPTION :- SUTAS WERE SOCIALLY OPPRESSED PEOPLE WHO USED TO GET INSULTED BY HIGHER VARNAS.

We have saw that many clowns have whinned on many platforms that Suta's status was very low in society as they were outside the pale of Varnas. Either those clowns were manipulated due to unauthentic resources or they knew the truth but still lied just to promote the misconception. The most funny thing is that some of those clowns accepts Gitapress translation of Mahabharata only and reject the Critical Eddition but still claims from it. Now let's see what their favorite version says about Sutas👇

Gitapress Mahabharat, Virata parva, section-16

ब्राह्मण्यां क्षत्रियाजातः सूतो भवति पार्थिव प्रातिलोम्येन जातानां स ह्येको द्विज एव तु ॥

राजन् ! क्षत्रिय पिता और ब्राह्मणी मातासे उत्पन्न हुआ बालक ‘सूत' कहलाता है । प्रतिलोमसंकर जातियों में अकेली यह सूत जाति ही द्विज कही गयी है ॥

रथकार मितीमं हि क्रियायुक्तं द्विजन्मनाम् । क्षत्रियादवरं वैश्याद् विशिष्टमिति चक्षते ॥

द्विजोचित कर्मोंसे युक्त उस सूतको ही रथकार भी कहते हैं। इसे क्षत्रियसे हीन और वैश्यसे श्रेष्ठ बताते हैं |

Here it is mentioned that Sutas were superior to Vaishyas but inferior to Kshatriyas.

Now let's move towards the most authentic version of Mahabharata (BORI CE).

Once Bhishma says that Nishadas, Sutas e.t.c  are condemned by the four Varnas as they are the offspring of pratiloma marriage. As per Bhishma, Such a person will oppress his preceptor's wife and are the worst. I don't think that even Suta fans will agree on it because we don't find any evidance where Sutas oppressed their preceptor's wives, neither it was true at all.

I don't know that why do Suta fans want to prove Suta community as a wretch community by using Bhisma's statement whereas neither Sutas were worst people, nor their status was low.

What was the actual status of Suta community in society we will see it in this thread.

Suta was a respected community and no where it's members were oppressed by the higher Varnas, they used to live happily and were involved in every profession.

Let's have a look at some examples

1) Karna , who was called the son of Suta was a fighter and even became the king of Anga and was respected by Duryodhana and other Kshtriyas

Note:- Bhishma and Shalya had insulted Karna a few times but there are some reasons of them using harsh words towards Karna in some occasions which are clearly mentioned in Mahabharata.

2)  The other sons of Adhirata were also warriors, it means a Suta can practice the dharma of Kshatriyas.

3) Sauti's father was a disciple of Lord Vyasa and obtained scriptural knowledge from him. It itself proves that they were allowed to study even from top level Gurus.

Adi Parva, Chapter No. 13 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

Souti said, ‘The wise know this ancient story as history. It was recounted by Krishna Dvaipayana to the inhabitants of the Naimisharanya. At the request of the Brahmanas, my learned father Lomaharshana, Vyasa’s disciple and a suta, once narrated it. O Shounaka! I

was present at the time. Since you have asked me, I shall recount the story of Astika exactly as I heard it.

4) Sauti:-  He is the main narrator of Mahabharata and was a respectable person.

Adi Parva,  Chapter No. 01, ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

Ugrashrava, the son of Lomaharshana and the son of a suta, learned in the Puranas, and also known as Souti, once approached them, bowing in humility. When he reached the hermitage of Naimisharanya, the hermits who were the inhabitants,

surrounded him, wishing to hear his wonderful stories. Having been respectfully welcomed by those sages, 

5) Sanjaya:- The chief advisor and a massenger of King Dhristrastra as well as the narrator of entire Kurukshetra War

Ashramavasa Parva, Chapter No. 22 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

Vidura decided that the time was right for him to also go to the forest with the king. The chief adviser and suta, Sanjaya, Gavalgana’s son, also took the same decision. 

6) Bandi :- A top debator, who defeated Ashtavakra's father(A Brahmana) but was defeated by Ashtavakra. Bandi was expert in the knowledge of Vedas and was treated very well by his king. It also proves that Sutas can study the Vedas.

Vana Parva, Chapter No. 132 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

Bandi was skilled in debate. The brahmana was defeated by him and drowned in the waters. ‘“Uddalaka got to know that he had been defeated by a suta

7) Varshneya :- A respectable charioteer of King Nala

Vana Parva, Chapter No. 57 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

‘O Brihatsena! O fortunate one! As if on Nala’s instructions, go again and bring the suta Varshneya here. A great task has to be performed.’ On hearing what Damayanti had said, Brihatsena summoned Varshneya through reliable servants.

‘“Bhima’s unblemished daughter was well versed about place and time. She knew that the time had come. She told Varshneya in a soft voice, ‘You know that the king has always behaved properly towards you. Now that his moment of distress has arrived, you should help

him

8) Keechaka:- A powerful commander of kingdom Virata and a top fighter

9) King Nala:- He was a Nishada (inferior to Suta) but still a highly respectable King in society and belongs to noble lineage. He also took the part in Damyanti's Swyamwara. 

Vana  Parva, Chapter No. 50 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

‘Brihadashva said, “There was a strong king named Nala, the son of Virasena. He had all the good qualities and was handsome. He was skilled with horses. He stood at the head of all the

kings among men, like the king of the gods. He was supreme to everyone and had energy like that of the sun. This brave king of the nishadhas was learned in the Vedas and devoted to

brahmanas.

 Vana  Parva, Chapter No. 51 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

The gods stopped their vimanas in the sky and descending from the sky, addressed the king of Nishadha, ‘O Nala! O Nishadha! O Indra among kings! You are always devoted to the truth. O supreme among men! Help us and become our messenger.’”

Vana  Parva, Chapter No. 67 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

Damayanti to King Nala:-

You are famous, wise and kind and have

been born to a noble lineage. But I fear that you have now become cruel and that is the reason my fortune has turned.

Note:- But it does not mean that all Nishadas were good because some nishadas are depicted as man eater and evil creatures.

10) Adhirata:- A suta friend of Dhristrastra. If Sutas' status were low and people didn't respect Sutas then how Adhirata became a friend of Dhristrastra ? 

Vana  Parva, Chapter No. 293 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

Vaishampayana said, ‘Dhritarashtra had a friend and he was a suta named Adhiratha. At that time, he went to the Jahnavi, together with his wife. 

11) Daruka and his son:- they were Sutas but highly respectable charioteers among Vrishnis

 Vana  Parva, Chapter No. 19 ( Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation )

Pradyumana to Daruka's son

You have been born in the suta

lineage and you are well trained in the tasks of sutas. O Daruka’s son! You know the dharma of Vrishnis in battle. O Souti! Since you know the conduct of Vrishnis in battle

12) Yadavas:- They were Sutas as they were offspring of Yadu(Ancestor of Shri Krishna) who was a suta. But nowhere we find that their status were low in society and were mistreated by higher Varnas.

Yadu's father was Kshatriya (Yayati) but his mother was Brahmin(Devyani)

Adi Parva, Chapter No. 76 (Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation)

Yayati replied, “O beautiful one! I am not worthy of you. You are the daughter of Ushanas. O Devayani! Your father cannot marry you to a king.” Devayani replied, “Brahmanas have already been united with Kshatriyas and Kshatriyas have

been united with Brahmanas. You are a rishi and the son of a rishi. O son of Nahusha! Therefore, marry me.” Yayati replied, “O beautiful one! There is no doubt that the four varnas have sprung from a single body. But their purity varies and so does their dharma. The

Brahmana is superior to the others.”

Adi Parva, Chapter No. 78 (Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation)

‘O king! Yayati had two sons through Devayani—Yadu and Turvasu. Those two were like Shakra and Vishnu. Through that rajarshi, Vrishaparva’s daughter Sharmishtha gave birth

to three sons—Druhyu, Anu and Puru.

YADU HAS NOT GIVEN HIS YOUTH TO YAYATI , IT WAS PURU WHO GAVE IT THAT'S THE REASON, YAYATI WAS GIVING HIS THRONE TO PURU (ANCESTOR OF KAURAVAS) INSTEAD OF YADU THEN THE BRAHMANAS THEMSELVES CAME AND TOLD YAYATI TO INSTALL HIS ELDEST SON YADU (A SUTA) ON THE THRONE. IT PROVES THAT SUTA'S STATUS WEREN'T LOW IN SOCIETY. 

Adi Parva, Chapter No. 80 (Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation)

‘The king wished to instate his youngest son, Puru, as the king. But the four varnas, led by the Brahmanas, said, “O lord! How can you instate Puru in the kingdom, overlooking your eldest son Yadu, who is Sharmishtha’s son and Shukra’s grandson? Yadu is your eldest son.

YADAVAS WERE OFFSPRING OF YADU

‘Giving the kingdom to Puru, he accepted the vows for departing to the forest and left his capital with the Brahmanas and the ascetics. Yadu’s sons are known as the Yadavas,

Moreover, Shalya says that Shudras are the servants of all other Varnas but regarding Sutas, he says that they are the servants of Brahmanas and Kshtriyas only. It itself proves that the status of Sutas were superior to Vaishyas and Shudras thats why they were the servants of only two superior varnas.

Karna Parva, Chapter No. 23 (Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation)

Shalya says:-

It has been decreed that

shudras are the servants of brahmanas, kshatriyas and vaishyas. It has been decreed that sutas are the

servants of brahmanas and kshatriyas. They are not the servants of shudras.

Ofcourse Sutas were outside the pale of Varnas as there were only 4 Varnas but their social status were good in society and all the above examples proves that almost all the rights were available to Sutas and they were treated respectfully hence Bhutta Karnandus who claim that Karna and other Sutas were repeatedly insulted in their lives because of their caste is nothing but a big joke.

Let's end this topic with what Yudhishthir said:-

Vana Parva, Chapter No.177 (Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation)

‘Yudhishthira replied, “O great serpent! O immensely wise one! I think that among men, birth is difficult to determine, because of mixed birth among all the varnas. Men always beget

children on women from all varnas. All men are equal in speech, intercourse, birth and death. The proof of this can be found in the words of the learned rishis, who have said ‘We sacrifice’ and so on, basing this entirely on conduct.The birth rituals of a man are performed even before the navel chord has been severed. At that time, the mother is Savitri and the father is

the preceptor. Before initiation into knowledge of the Vedas, everyone is a shudra by conduct. When there is a difference of opinion on this, Svayambhuva Manu

has categorically stated, ‘The observance of rituals determines varna. If conduct cannot be seen, mixed races overwhelmingly dominate.’ O Indra among serpents! O great serpent! O supreme

among serpents! I have earlier defined as a brahmana one in whom the principles of good conduct are seen

-Avenger